republicans supported huge subsidies for agribusiness and big energy companies. democrats did, too. they passed fabulous increases in medicare prescription benefits for the elderly. didn't raise a penny to pay for them. they advocated policies that led to the crash of 2008 -- so did democrats. today, we're $16 trillion in debt. and they are boasting that they haven't raised taxes in 22 years. what's that about? >> it's certainly not conservatism. it's not rational. and it's not adult. you know, when you create a program, you make a decision. you say, "i think we should conduct this war. i think that we should expand our security apparatus at home. i think that we should provide this additional benefit." then you pay for it. you vote to do it. and then you say, "here's what it's going to cost." and you pay for it. you know, republicans may complain about the federal debt, but they're as responsible as the democrats for the debt being as large as it is. and once you have already done that, then you have an obligation to pay it down. you know, so the idea that what you're going to do i